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I would bake you a cake with a file in it, Greg. ;)

It was badly put, but I do find it interesting that the CPC is willing to spend millions on spaces in jails, but nothing on spaces in daycares. Maybe since they see jails and daycares as being pretty much the same thing, they consider it a deferred placement plan?

Does society need to be protected from 1 year olds?

Of course it came out dumb but it does raise an interesting point as Greg mentioned. More jail less childcare.

Childcare isn’t telling people they have to put their kids in daycare but it’s helping the ones who don’t have much of a choice. Besides, you probably can’t create a national babysitter program.

She is saying in her own ham-handed way that early intervention with some kids will keep them out of jail later. Is it cheaper for society to give them quality daycare now rather than keep them in jail as adults? I am not sure where you are getting the “protection from 1 year olds”.

How many times do I have to say that the Libs and NDP can win with day care for the poor. But day care for everyone is what they want and it is a loser.

And let me add that stating that putting children in any other situation other that state day care leads to prison is extremely worse than beer and popcorn.

I wonder what the incarceration rate is for those poor unfortunates who were not raised by the bulk child care industry. I’ve always felt I’m teetering on the edge of criminality. I blame my mother for staying home and my father for his modest income. Mom should have been at work all those years so we could have better cars and be raised by strangers.

But Greg, the CPC sees the wisdom of a universal baby bonus, why not a universal day care system available to anyone who needs the space? I think you are mistaking universally accessible daycare with attendance-manditory institutions of state indoctrination. That is certainly not something I support or would support. I think you need to visit one and I think you will see there are no pictures of Karl Marx on the walls. They are not evil.

I fully support families who choose to have one person stay home (and I am willing to pay more in taxes to help them out). To say however that that is the only way to have a family is not something I am prepared to support. Our goal must be to help all families regardless of their composition or situation. Anyway, I am going to bed. Goodnight and we can fight over a beer in a couple of weeks.

“Why not have a universal daycare system in place available to anyone…”

Why not have universal home cleaning? How bout government run financial services? Why not universal….

You get the point.

Greg (the socialist one) doesn’t seem to realize that the Liberal “plan” never came close to providing “free” daycare to anyone who wants it. It was the same amount as the CPC’s, and factoring in the percentage that would go to the layers of bureacracy on top of front line daycare, in reality it ends up being much less overall.

Actually putting into effect Greg’s plan, would be closer in magnatude to the healthcare system, eating up a significant portion of the entire federal budget, resulting in a massive increase in the size of government. No doubt it would be as effecient as our healthcare system (I can just imagine a bunch of kids roaming hallways waiting for their overworked/understaffed “care providers”. Or perhaps as overbudget (in percentage terms of course, it would be much more massive in real dollars) as the gun registry.

Oh yes, more massive government programs please. They seem to work so well.

Okay,I’ve read enough from the universal day care crowd;I have to respond.First,I absolutely hate the term “early learning and childcare”! What’s wrong with letting kids be kids,growing and learning naturally from their parents? Secondly, if you bleeding heart lefties think the $1200.00 isn’t enough,I have a great idea;you say it costs $40.00 a day for day care,why not GIVE THAT MONEY TO THE PARENTS!Cut out the middle man.

Chester, you are mistaken the cpc was the same amount of money spread over twice as long. which amounted to half the money.

oops must have been tired.. the Liberal plan was spread over twice as long amounting to half per year as the CPC

Chris, don’t worry about it, you must’ve been raised by your Mom. You needed indoctrination by a CUPE daycare nanny. A little screw up like that isn’t too serious, you’re lucky you didn’t end up in jail …. :>)

Oh, so now lack of early child-care and crime are perfectly correlated? Then why did ity take Ms. Bennett’s Liberal government twelve years to pretend to deal with it???

Well guess what? Lack of early (as well as mid and late) child-care and crime are highly correlated in at least one very significant way. I’m referring to the legions of fatherless children in the urban Jamaican ghettos in this country.

These kids don’t need daycare. They don’t need money. They need the wealth provided by a loving family and the guidance that starts with responsible parenting as well as the imposition of appropriate disciplinary measures. They need a father figure who sticks around, fulfills his responsibilities and gives his children their wings.

You wanna really tackle crime in Toronto or other Canadian cities? I suggest you start there as the violent crimes are disproportionately committed by the young men who’ve had an unanchored childhoods.

The only crimes committed in the ghetto Carolyn Bennett represents represents are such felonies as cheaping out on domestic wine or enrolling your kids in the public school system.

but I do find it interesting that the CPC is willing to spend millions on spaces in jails, but nothing on spaces in daycares.

You picked the wrong false dilemma. The CPC is willing to spend on jails AND child care. The dilemma is whether to fund childcare OR the CBC.

Who said anything about Karl Marx?

I was reacting to the fact that Dr. Bennett believes kids raised by stay-at-homes have a future in the prison system. Just think, this lunatic wants to be PM!

I think you are misunderstanding her because she said it very badly. She was mixing about three issues into her example and mangled it completely.

She was trying to say (from what I can decipher) is that at risk kids (kids with a not great family situation) would be better off in day care when they are young rather than jail as adults. What came out was a confused mess. For that alone she doesn’t deserve to be prime minister, but I don’t think she believes you are leading your children to a life of crime, Greg.

I will repeat this until some politician listens to me. If they are talking about day care for at risk kids talk about developing a day care program for at risk kids. Otherwise it is slander against all parents.

Well I don’t blame you for being confused by it. She is selling universal access by using at risk kids as a universal example.

The unspoken part about the Liberal plan, (a far cry from universal day care) is that it was an attempt at regulating ie. putting out of business all home and non-profit daycares. This never received the attention it deserved. The Ken Dryden’s of the world believe that EVERY two year old should be receiving (re)education not child care.

The Liberals totally underestimated the uproar they were about to create.

So Irwin Coddler and “Bend(the facts) it like Bennett” feel biological parents will infect new borns with un-Liberal dogma and create future criminals.

Can’t wait for the schools to be forced to stock their Library with Bennett’s new book:

“It takes a VILLAGE IDIOT to raise a hoodlum child” .