CTV's Robert Fife is reporting that the NDP, BQ and the majority of the Liberals will vote against extending the mission. The vote looks like it will be very tight.
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In the end what does it matter? The vote is merely symbolic. Harper seems to be getting his wish. He is polarizing the country. How nice for us.
Posted by Greg | May 17, 2006 9:30 AM
Posted on May 17, 2006 09:30
If a vote does not matter why have the NDP pushed for one?
Posted by Greg Staples | May 17, 2006 9:32 AM
Posted on May 17, 2006 09:32
They have bought into Harper’s B.S.
Posted by Greg | May 17, 2006 9:49 AM
Posted on May 17, 2006 09:49
Greg,
On my blog I have asked that ALL blogs post their support of the afghan mission to send a message to our MP’s…. sure it won’t do much but I’m hoping this catches on. Blogopshere can usually make some press. Your blog is fantastic and I know it has some pull.
Posted by Riley Hennessey | May 17, 2006 9:50 AM
Posted on May 17, 2006 09:50
Oh ya, cause the Liberal’s and NDP’s over the top rhetoric have not in any way polarized the country. its all Stephen’s fault don’t ya know.
Posted by 'Expert' Tom | May 17, 2006 10:06 AM
Posted on May 17, 2006 10:06
“They have bought into Harper’s B.S.”. You must be so proud. If they are that much under PM Harper’s secret powers they are useless as a political party.
Posted by Greg Staples | May 17, 2006 10:21 AM
Posted on May 17, 2006 10:21
Nope, not proud at all. Just really depressed.
Posted by Greg | May 17, 2006 10:26 AM
Posted on May 17, 2006 10:26
The question is, what does Harper do if he loses the vote?
Posted by Greg | May 17, 2006 10:26 AM
Posted on May 17, 2006 10:26
That is the question of the day. I suspect it becomes an issue in this falls election ;)
Posted by Greg Staples | May 17, 2006 10:31 AM
Posted on May 17, 2006 10:31
This topic kinda suck up on me… forgive my ignorance, is this vote a Confidence vote?
JasperPants
Posted by JasperPants | May 17, 2006 10:51 AM
Posted on May 17, 2006 10:51
If he loses the vote, the troops have got to come home in February 2007, right?
That kills the mission. (I know, Parliament has no power to do that, it’s all on cabinet. But really, you can’t ignore a vote like that.)
Posted by Ben (The Tiger in Exile) | May 17, 2006 10:53 AM
Posted on May 17, 2006 10:53
Harper hasn’t polarized the country. The country has been severely polarized since the fall of the Berlin Wall and again by 9/11. We have dissenting views in Canada about how to proceed in a global economy threatened by terrorists.
There is an enormous gap in the philosophy of a Liberal/NDPer and a Conservative. Those worldviews are about to be openly debated in Canada as they have been over the last few years between the Democrats and Republicans. The US is in a constant state of revolution. It’s called democracy.
At last we’ll get debate and dissent in Parliament which will help us frame our arguments here and with our friends and relatives with whom we dissent. We are on the threshold of re-inventing our country and becoming a nation again instead of an adolescent US dependant.
Posted by nomdenet | May 17, 2006 11:10 AM
Posted on May 17, 2006 11:10
Who are these idiots who think Harper has polarized the country. The man’s been in office for three months! I’m so sick of people talking about how he’s singlehandledly plunged the country into the stone-age. Do people read anymore?
Posted by Riley Hennessey | May 17, 2006 12:09 PM
Posted on May 17, 2006 12:09
Who are these idiots who think Harper has polarized the country.
The irony of that statement made me laugh. Thanks.
Posted by Greg | May 17, 2006 12:40 PM
Posted on May 17, 2006 12:40
Sinister Greg: weren’t the NDP calling for a vote on our Afghanistan mission before the Conservatives won power? How exactly can you blame “Harper’s B.S.” for their stance?
Posted by The Invisible Hand | May 17, 2006 12:40 PM
Posted on May 17, 2006 12:40
It’s all academic now. Bill Graham just did one of his best feigning outrage on the CBC a few moments ago. He’s angered and furious over how this process has been thrust upon the house blah blah. But our party will vote individually according to there personal judgement.
It sounds more like their caucus meeting was more to strategize how to apportion just enough votes to pass the motion. Pure spec on my part but that’s what it sounds like.
Posted by Dr. Strangelove | May 17, 2006 12:50 PM
Posted on May 17, 2006 12:50
I want to thank Harper for one thing. He has once again shown how feckless the Liberals are. They are without feck.
Posted by Greg | May 17, 2006 1:08 PM
Posted on May 17, 2006 13:08
IH. The NDP is in another place (cloud cuckooland?). They think that we should have real debates with real exchanges of ideas leading to some kind of consensus. They have to stop calling for debates because that is not how Harper sees debates. He sees debates as ways to bully the opposition with attack lines imported from the U.S. and votes as future fodder for attack ads (I can see it all now. A picture of Layton looking like he has hemroids with a voice over “Jack Layton hates Canada. Jack Layton voted against our boys in Afghanistan”). I think it is better for the NDP just to tell Harper to rule the country and take responsibility for the decisions he makes. Leave the voting to areas of legislation.
By the way, I think we should be in Afghanistan and I disagree with leaving (though I understand why the NDP is voting against this motion).
Posted by Greg | May 17, 2006 1:21 PM
Posted on May 17, 2006 13:21
Jasperpants et al: THIS IS A NON-BINDING VOTE!!! This changes the optics. Think about it. The Libs can vote against it, and force Harper to Get them to stay anyway, bad news!!.
Posted by Fergy | May 17, 2006 2:05 PM
Posted on May 17, 2006 14:05
Once the NDP and Liberals vote NO tonight and send the message to our troops that the Taliban misogenyists have won and Canada will cut-n-run , because of this there will be very few soldiers wanting to be the “Last person killed in Afghanistan” .
Plus , the Pro-Taliban Afganis in Toronto will be very happy to see females being put back in their place as baby-machines and sex slaves as Muhammed did.
Posted by Robert tilley | May 17, 2006 2:46 PM
Posted on May 17, 2006 14:46
I suspect Robert is a Liberal plant. No conservative would be that stupid.
Posted by Greg | May 17, 2006 3:47 PM
Posted on May 17, 2006 15:47
Maybe when they decide to plead for a debate, they should (beforehand, or, what the heck, during the pleading process) prepare themselves for it.
Posted by lrC | May 17, 2006 4:01 PM
Posted on May 17, 2006 16:01