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The government that calls you a Taliban supporter if you don’t suppot handing over prisoners to torturers is demanding a retraction for some harsh language? Surely you jest.

Admit it, May is making an appeal for Canada’s religous vote and the Tories are scared it might resonate.

What was it people have been saying about Kyoto starting to feel a lot like a religion? This woman is a dangerous loon.

That’s the way it works with the leftbots! They have their standard bag of epithets and when they don’t like how you stand ( not agreeing with their blather is always sufficient!) out pops something like Nazi, fascist etc…… Happens Every Time! The Left as a whole is deluded and the more prominent of them are the most full of shit! I give you Elizabeth May!

Yes she’s quite the bully isn’t she? I bet alot of Conservative MPs are crying over this harsh language. I bet someone is holding Stephen Harper close and wiping his tears (probably his psychic).

So if Harper calls Dion a snivelling communist and a disciple of Stalin, we’re OK. Right? No limits on public discourse? Giddy up!

BCL, sorry If I confused…I don’t have a problem with her quoting Christianity though it tends not to work very well in Canada. Using the Nazi comparison proves that she is a fool.

But, Greg, it works best with the Tory demographic, which is maybe why Green is the second choice of so many Tories.

As for the “nazi” metaphor, well I’ve thought that the “taliban lover” stuff your Harper leans on is pretty sad too, but different strokes for different folks. I think its significant from the Ottawa Cit article that the Tories chose to send out an anonymous coward to refute her. Sounds to me like they don’t want to give her too large a profile here. Why? Fear?

Fruit Loop is what I call her.

I think Dion may well regret the alliance with May.

The more scrutiny that May receives, the worse she looks. If Dion is endorsed by someone like David Orchard, he can distance himself by saying he cannot choose his supporters. After making an alliance with May, Dion cannot easily distance himself from her.

Everything critical that is written about May will include Dion’s name in the story somewhere.

I can use a plethora of sayings here, Greg:

People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones

OR

What goes around comes around.

and so on.

Its pretty rich to hear Conservatives whine about stuff when Harper has descended into the mud many times prior to this. Not only with calling the Opposition all Taliban lovers as BCL mentioned, but with the “the Liberals are anti-military”, “the Liberals are anti-police”, and of course the attempted Navdeep Bains smear.

May I also add how amusing and ironic I found it last week when Conservative Cabinet ministers were all standing up demanding apologies, when all the Blogging Tories previously had been mocking Dion and the Liberals for demanding apologies of their own for Harper’s gutter-style politics.

Bring it on. Everything is fair game. Decorum is for the history books. One hysterical comparison follows another. This is going to be so much fun.

I will remind you of this post.

Elizabeth May says Global Warming is a moral issue. We should thank her for that. There can be no more legislation on Global Warming because as the left says, “You can’t legislate morality.”

BCL - Why are Liberals trying to make the Taliban prisoner situation into a big deal?

1. If you were a prisoner and wanted to get out, wouldn’t you plead torture so that you might have a chance to get out?
2. These are the very same Taliban who would, if allowed, go back to killing women for not wearing burkas or for getting an education.
3. Until now, there hasn’t been a single case of torture proven. There have only been rumours. Remember, innocent until proven guilty.

The only reason I can think of is for political motivation. Because I can’t see how you can be so concerned for an individual when he will resort to even worse torture if allowed to.

Bud,

1) Because my country is important enough to me that I would not see it in violation of the Geneva Convention or any anti-torture accords.

2)They are also the same Taliban that are fighting our guys, and if they know that surrendering will get them tortured, they might fight harder and kill a few more of our guys.

3) We know that torture has taken place in Afghan prisons, by the people we have handed over our prisoners to. The Harper government is still doing deals with torturers, whether or not any of the people we turned over were among the victims.

Have Canadian Conservatives become so depraved that they are willing to deal with toturers, just not Taliban torturers? I thought we were supposed to be better than these people.

“2)They are also the same Taliban that are fighting our guys, and if they know that surrendering will get them tortured, they might fight harder and kill a few more of our guys. “

I was unaware that they had been surrendering in large numbers.

Your compassion for the troops is duly noted.

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20070428/CPACTUALITES/704280478/6488/CPACTUALITES

Weak BCL.

You have stated your scripted fallback pieties. But you’re fooling noone. The whole campaign is weak. It just reveals, as usual, Liberals will resort to sullying our military or our military campaign in order to achieve sleazy political gains.

War is hell. If you and your liberal colleagues think any government has ever skated through any military campaign at any point in history with getting their hands dirty, you are truly naive. Having said that, I’d wager your not as naive as I’m suggesting. Just longing for a return of the crooks to office at the expense of anything that gets in the their way - such as the nation’s best interests.

Doesn’t Jack look like a genius now? Thanks Elizabeth.

And how does being kept in the dark and cut out of a deal make one a genius?

There is also the fact we’ve turned people over that were tortured and later found to have done nothing wrong. That in it of itself should be throwing a Red flag up.

I didn’t realize till now how many Conservatives up here were willing to throw away the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and/or disregard international protocols like the Geneva Conventions… but I guess they’re followers of the George Dubya Bush doctrine : “It’s only a piece of paper”

And Scott, if there were abuses there were none done in Afghanistan when the Liberals were in power, right? C’mon, if you accuse the Conservatives of throwing out the Charter and ignoring Geneva Conventions you have to accuse the Liberals of doing the same or you are spewing partisan nonsense.

A few points, Scott:

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms, you may be aware, is currently of no force in Afghanistan, as they already have a quasi-medieval constitution of their own, such as it is.

No one here is advocating torture, at least as far as I can tell. Some are skeptical of the claims of torture, which is not necessarily an indefensible position, given the alleged victims. Personally, I have no doubt that torture has occurred. To avoid such a tragedy in the future, it may be advisable to limit to the greatest extent possible the number of prisoners we take.

I think in the main what rankles CPC supporters (of which I am at most a very guarded one) is that this mess, and it most certainly is a mess, has become yet another excuse for a media pile-on and the suffusion of rhetorical vomit throughout the political environment. In short, the warmth of regard of many CPC critics for the human rights of the alleged victims of torture has a rather shopworn feel to it.

Your awkward and apropos of nothing invocation of the American president undermines your credibility. It’s a bit sad that you have to be told that.

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