to anger those for and against simultaneously you play with fire, this case is the "green" file. The Conservatives "green plan" was written in attempt to have those in favour of Kyoto and those opposed to Kyoto being equally upset. Well, job well done. Problem is that the pro-Kyoto crowd was never going to vote Conservatives whereas the anti-Kyoto is looking for new options. Don't believe me - Canada's new Liberal Party is now trailing the actual Liberal party in the latest Ipsos-Reid poll (to be released tonight on Global National) and are down 11% in British Columbia and 24%, let me repeat that, 24% in Alberta. No doubt the vote is being parked but a message is being sent to the Harper government and that is the base is getting restless.

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There is no way that the Tories are at 24% in Alberta. No matter what the margin of error is for regional break-downs, that’s way off base.
Posted by CalgaryGrit | May 11, 2007 5:25 PM
Posted on May 11, 2007 17:25
Calgarygrit…..Thats DOWN 24% in Alberta. Not at 24% in Alberta
Posted by Kris | May 11, 2007 5:31 PM
Posted on May 11, 2007 17:31
.. 11% in British Columbia and 24%, let me repeat that, 24% in Alberta ..
Just some clarification - are the Liberals at 24% in Alberta, or are the Tories down 24%?
I would not be surprised to see the Liberals rise in Alberta. There has been a lot of migration, and the large urban/suburban populations in both Calgary and Edmonton can be expected to have views (on smog, gridlock, etc) not dissimilar to those of Mississauga, Vancouver, and Victoria.
I have also been reading that the Stelmach administration in Alberta has been somewhat ineffective.
Posted by cb | May 11, 2007 5:35 PM
Posted on May 11, 2007 17:35
That is what happens when you neglect your base I guess. At least if you have a base that is willing to walk.
Posted by Kevin | May 11, 2007 5:56 PM
Posted on May 11, 2007 17:56
That’s why the Liberals are still the NGP. Their supporters would vote for rotting stiff, as long as he was a card carrying Liberal while he breathed. Conservatives are far more likely to jump ship based on performance/ideology. We eventually always settle on the Liberals as the default government because there is no real conservative movement in this country. Yet.
Posted by Alan | May 11, 2007 6:13 PM
Posted on May 11, 2007 18:13
P-l-e-a-s-e—— in the last budget I believe it was Weston who said that the tories would have turned over villages in Newfoundland for blunder if they thought there was a Viking vote. It is becoming very clear now this government is about trying to get more power (a majority) and people are seeing through them ….soon it will be bye-bye
Posted by stevey | May 11, 2007 7:37 PM
Posted on May 11, 2007 19:37
When you vote conservative and get free spending Liberal wannabes you get pissed off.
Thats what Harper has to realize and try to get back to what he promised.
Shelve the crapass enviroplan and call it like it is. Cut spending and taxes and go back to the voters.
Posted by colin | May 11, 2007 7:50 PM
Posted on May 11, 2007 19:50
All Harper has left are his charm and personality. Good luck.
Posted by Greg | May 11, 2007 8:00 PM
Posted on May 11, 2007 20:00
BTW. Alan is right. That’s why NDP and Conservative supporters are so much alike and why any long-term alliance is out of the question.
Posted by Greg | May 11, 2007 8:02 PM
Posted on May 11, 2007 20:02
The ironic thing is that with the Liberals out of cash, and the Bloc/PQ in the middle of a funk (and possibly a civil war between Duceppe and Marois), this would have been the perfect time for Harper to drive a truck through them both.
Except for those pesky polls :-)
Posted by cb | May 11, 2007 8:06 PM
Posted on May 11, 2007 20:06
“There has been a lot of migration, and the large urban/suburban populations in both Calgary and Edmonton can be expected to have views (on smog, gridlock, etc) not dissimilar to those of Mississauga, Vancouver, and Victoria.”
Hardly a reason why the vote would be down in Alberta… unless you think that this migration all happened in the last year.
Seriously, I was hoping for a new government when the Conservatives came to power. And every day they are showing me that they are not the party that I voted for last year. So, if that is the case, why would I vote for them again?
Right now I would still vote the Conservatives simply because of Harper as a leader. But their policy has pushed me to the edge… one more push and I won’t be around. And as the polls are indicating, a lot of people are feeling the same way.
Posted by Surecure | May 11, 2007 8:08 PM
Posted on May 11, 2007 20:08
I think this is great news. The sooner we get the socialist wealth confiscators back in power the sooner we can fold this failed experiment and take the West out of confederation.
Posted by potato | May 11, 2007 9:28 PM
Posted on May 11, 2007 21:28
potato, the rest of the West hates being considered a euphamism for “Alberta”.
Posted by Deanna | May 11, 2007 10:10 PM
Posted on May 11, 2007 22:10
the anti-Kyoto [crowd] is looking for new options
Like moving every possible dollar offshore, brushing up their resume and taking foreign language courses. That is, the ones who didn’t get into corn-alcohol extraction on the ground floor or get a job as a lobbyist for defence contractors.
with the Liberals out of cash, and the Bloc/PQ in the middle of a funk … this would have been the perfect time for Harper to drive a truck through them both.
Oh, he’ll run over them eventually, in a gasohol-fueled hybrid SUV paid for with other people’s money, driving on a road paved with confiscated light bulbs. After he runs over them he’ll bury them under billions of dollars of transfer payments and economic opportunity funds. Sure it’s hard on the taxpayers, but those damned Liberals and Bloc have it coming to them.
This is the revenge of the losers who conduct political polls and focus groups for a living, and the even bigger losers who participate in them. The most unambitious slugs in the country have created a government juggernaut which is going to “get tough with” (i.e. crush) industry. It’s a passive-aggressive thing.
Posted by Anonymous | May 11, 2007 10:45 PM
Posted on May 11, 2007 22:45
Any of you idiots who still beleive in polls also must beleive in the easter bunny.Just to see if i am getting through to your wanna be pee brains.Have any of you ever been contacted by one of these polsters??Do you know anyone who has ever been contacted by these polsters??I didnt think so.These polls are made up to influence the idiot population .If your an idiot your either Liberal or you beleive in polls.Your lesson for today.
Night all
Posted by bert | May 11, 2007 10:51 PM
Posted on May 11, 2007 22:51
Well, bert, I don’t know if any of us can handle being called an idiot by somebody who doesn’t know the difference between “your” and “you’re”… but I’m sure we’ll survive.
And that is YOUR lesson for tonight.
Posted by Surecure | May 11, 2007 11:29 PM
Posted on May 11, 2007 23:29
The liberal establishment in Canada, including the media,
will continue to raise the bar on the Harper regime, such that nothing,
nothing,
will be acceptable.
Where there were no standards/expectations placed on the Liberals (see Kyoto, Afghanistan detainee rights), Harper is held to impossible standards.
Until the right mobilizes to counteract the massive influence of the liberal dominated mass media,liberals will continue to rule.
The Globe and Mail, the Star, the CBC and others, slant, spin, depict, all aspects of our public life in a pro liberal/anti conservative context.
Busy people read the headlines day in and day out and are told that Harper is failure, hasn’t done enough (Hell Macleans had him on the cover with green monster eyes), ect.
Those on the right demanding perfection only seals the deal for the Liberals.
Ever hear the story of the little monkey who reached into a hole in the tree to grab some apples, as a tiger approached? Not content to have just one apple, the monkey tried to grab two, his hand was stuck in the tree, and he was eaten by the tiger.
Now, my little conservative monkeys,
go forth in support of our fledgling (albeit imperfect) conservative government, lest you wish to be eaten by the Liberal tiger.
Posted by Chester | May 11, 2007 11:30 PM
Posted on May 11, 2007 23:30
Those on the right demanding perfection only seals the deal for the Liberals.
What a crappy excuse for lying, selling out your principles and sticking it to the taxpayer so you can buy votes from the ignorant and lazy. Better to be an honest opposition than a dishonest government.
Now, my little conservative monkeys,
Uh , dude, there ain’t any more apples in that tree. The owners of the apples are in the process of moving them to offshore holding trees and they won’t be sending any of them back unless a government chimp promises them an apple-for-apple subsidy.
lest you wish to be eaten by the Liberal tiger.
In the dark I really can’t tell whether it’s a liberal tiger or a conservative polecat that’s chewing my ass.
Posted by Anonymous | May 12, 2007 12:31 AM
Posted on May 12, 2007 00:31
My bad - read that wrong.
Seems like a big drop in BC too, which is probably more concerning for them, since the Tories will win 25-28 seats in AB no matter how awful things go from now until voting day. That’s a province where a small shift would actually mean some seats changing hands.
Posted by CalgaryGrit | May 12, 2007 1:41 AM
Posted on May 12, 2007 01:41
In the next election, Conservatives will have to decide if they are so disenchanted with PMSH and the new Conservative Government, that, they want -Coderre as Defence Minister -Lizzy May as Enviro Minister -Iggy and Kermit, Holland & Jennings running the country.
Job # 1 for PMSH was kicking the crap out of the separatists. -Lowest Bloc poll numbers, ever. -Duceppe jumps sinking ship to run for PQ. NO Liberal could have, or would have changed the political scene in Canada so dramatically, (in only 15 months in office).
PMSH took our military out of the Decade of Darkness, and shows genuine unwavering support for them and their mission.
And just what did the NGPoC do for you in their last 5 years in power? Oh, other than steal NDP and Conservative platforms and present them as their own….grow up Conservatives, or you’ll whine us back to the opposition benches.
Posted by wilson61 | May 12, 2007 2:28 AM
Posted on May 12, 2007 02:28
Wilson61 has it right. This is nothing.
Harper has been saying for months that there will be no election. No we’re going into the summer season. Remember … the BBQ circuit? CPC strength.
Dion is giving away fundraiser tickets and Harper will rack in more cash.
Follow the money. The polls don’t speak for Canadians, their wallets do.
Cheers, lance
Posted by Lance | May 12, 2007 3:21 AM
Posted on May 12, 2007 03:21
Polls are dependant on the question asked. Other than - “if an election were held today, who would you vote for” any other “poll” question can be considered leading.
The MSM who commission these polls have seen all their attempts at discrediting the CPC fail, the polls kept rising. So now they fashion questions to get lower poll results - because they know that so many people in this country go to vote with the notion that - since a poll says this party is ahead, I had better vote for them.
Pay attention to the questions asked - seems the MSM is quick to point out the result but not the “question” that produced the result they wanted.
Just my opinion.
Posted by Alberta Girl | May 12, 2007 7:37 AM
Posted on May 12, 2007 07:37
Chester:
While I’m likely to vote CPC as they appear to be the least horrible alternative, I don’t think I can go along with your parable. I was promised one apple and I’ll settle for that. I’m as worried about the rancid fruit I keep pulling out of the tree as I am about the three legged tiger that keeps biting itself in the tail.
Posted by Alan | May 12, 2007 11:18 AM
Posted on May 12, 2007 11:18
I’m with Wilson & Lance on this. At work, I’m dealing with two of the biggest bureaucracies Canada has going, and the sludge is absolutely mindboggling. You can’t call to see what’s going on with a file for fear of it being pushed to the back of the line. The arrogance is incredible.
PMSH is trying to turn the Titanic. That takes time.
The poll numbers are irrelevant if there is no election to be held in the near future.
Posted by Candace | May 12, 2007 12:46 PM
Posted on May 12, 2007 12:46
Candace, that was very well said. I forget who said it, maybe it was Jack from Jack’s Newswatch that we should remember we are running a marathon here; not a sprint.
Obviously no election on the immediate horizon. The pollsters should all take an early break and come back in the fall. Personally, I would be very happy to never hear another poll again.
Posted by Joanne (TB) | May 12, 2007 5:44 PM
Posted on May 12, 2007 17:44
We didn’t want perfection. We didn’t want a lightbulb banning idiot either. Much dissatisfaction in the ranks because he gets no points for funding the Troops and standing by them. HE’S SUPPOSED TO! On the stickier files where tough calls have had to made its almost always pandering for a few votes here and there. BUT, he’s got a long leash with a lot of slack, although not as much as before.
Posted by matt | May 12, 2007 7:59 PM
Posted on May 12, 2007 19:59
“We didn’t want a lightbulb banning idiot either.”
Does anything more really need to be said?
Posted by Alan | May 12, 2007 11:54 PM
Posted on May 12, 2007 23:54