I was going to name this post the English progressives*, but who doesn't want to reference Jackson 5 tune and many on the left dispute that the Liberals are a progressive party (again, whatever the heck that means) so we will go with the English Anybody but Conservatives.
Aside: I bring up the progressive issue in all seriousness, is progressive synonymous with "left-wing" as conservative is to "right-wing" or does it mean something different? Can you be centrist and progressive? Where the Progressive Conservatives progressive? Seriously, it confuses me.
Anyway, back to the post. As you see below the Liberals have been on the slide since the 2000 election. Why? Let's look at the combined Liberal, New Democrat and Green vote since 1993.
1993: Liberal, 41.2% + New Democrat, 6.9% + Green 0.2% = 48.3%
1997: Liberal, 38.5% + New Democrat, 11% + Green 0.4% = 49.9%
2000: Liberal, 40.9% + New Democrat, 8.5% + Green 0.8% = 50.2%
2004: Liberal, 36.7% + New Democrat, 15.7% + Green 4.3% = 56.7%
2006: Liberal, 30.2% + New Democrat, 17.5% + Green 4.5% = 52.2%
2008: Liberal, 26.2% + New Democrat, 18.1% + Green 6.8% = 51.1%
If we treat 2004 and 2006 as anomalies as the Conservatives re-combined their vote we can see a stable range from 48%-51%. From 1993 to 2000 the Green vote was a rounding error and the New Democrat vote was low leading to strong Liberal support and Liberal governments. After the sponsorship scandal we see a sharp increase in New Democrat support as well as Green support.
Since we have seen the Conservatives are now getting the traditional conservative support and that the New Democrats have been growing after 2000 it is safe to say that the Greens have become the home of disaffected Liberals. It makes me wonder about the whole Kyoto thing. Did the Liberals try to wrap themselves in Kyoto because they thought it was a wedge issue in which they could beat the C(c)onservatives with or did their polling show that they would bleed support on the issue and they were trying to protect their coalition? If it was the former then it worked out very poorly for the Liberals because the constant drumbeat of global warming or climate change hasn't helped the Liberals (deservedly as they signed Kyoto but did nothing about it, classic campaign left and govern right) but rather turned the Greens into an actual player in elections. I wonder if any Liberals think the agreement with Elizabeth May was a good idea now?
If the Liberals are to grow they need win back a larger share of this 48-51% (duh!). It seems to me that the route back is not through the centrist campaign that Michael Ignatieff is going to run but through the unite-the-left campaign that we see coming from Bob Rae. If only he didn;t have that disastrous run as NDP premier thing holding him back. Find me the "progressive" Liberal leadership candidate and I'll show another anybody but convention winner.
* and I now that the support includes some of Quebec but the BQ vote is pretty stable and I am trying to simplify things here

Comments (6)
is progressive synonymous with “left-wing” as conservative is to “right-wing”
Yes.
Posted by Robert McClelland | October 27, 2008 6:38 PM
Posted on October 27, 2008 18:38
I briefly explain why the word progressive appeared in the name of the old party in this post http://freedomnation.blogspot.com/2008/09/may-tries-to-re-divide-right.html
Basically it was a meaningless coincidence of history and terminology.
Posted by Hugh MacIntyre | October 27, 2008 7:05 PM
Posted on October 27, 2008 19:05
Are the Liberals progressive?
Posted by Political Staples
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October 27, 2008 7:31 PM
Posted on October 27, 2008 19:31
Progressive to a lefty means that you are sliding the right direction.. leftwards, that is obvious, logical and moral. Of course it is also idealistic, untenable, unprofitable and irresponsible but who cares about all that bad stuff anyways, right?
Posted by real conservative | October 27, 2008 9:33 PM
Posted on October 27, 2008 21:33
Are the Liberals progressive?
Overall, sometimes. As for how often they’re progressive, I find that answer depends on how far to the left the person answering the question is. The further left they are the less progressive the Liberals appear to them.
Posted by Robert McClelland | October 27, 2008 10:26 PM
Posted on October 27, 2008 22:26
Let’s be honest the term progressive has been hijacked by political parties hoping to subvert a meaning to suit their needs.
Main Entry: 1pro·gres·sive
Pronunciation: \prə-ˈgre-siv\ Function: adjective Date: circa 1612 1 a: of, relating to, or characterized by progress b: making use of or interested in new ideas, findings, or opportunities c: of, relating to, or constituting an educational theory marked by emphasis on the individual child, informality of classroom procedure, and encouragement of self-expression 2: of, relating to, or characterized by progression 3: moving forward or onward : advancing 4 a: increasing in extent or severity b: increasing in rate as the base increases 5often capitalized : of or relating to political Progressives 6: of, relating to, or constituting a verb form that expresses action or state in progress at the time of speaking or a time spoken of 7: of, relating to, or being a multifocal lens with a gradual transition between focal lengths 8: or, relating to, or using a method of video scanning (as for television or a computer monitor) in which the horizontal lines of each frame are drawn successively from top to bottom — compare interlaced
progressive
“of, relating to, or characterized by progress b: making use of or interested in new ideas, findings, or opportunities c: of, relating to, or constituting an educational theory marked by emphasis on the individual child, informality of classroom procedure, and encouragement of self-expression”
Any party which releases a platform with ideas for change is “progressive”. The left/right garbage is nothing more than that, garbage. If you are “left: leaning that does not make you progressive, if you are “right” leaning that does not mean you are not progressive. The sooner we move past labels and actually discuss ideas the sooner we will actual make progress in this country.
Bah……(thanks for letting me vent Greg but this is one of those topics that drives me NUTS! lol)
Posted by NK | October 29, 2008 9:17 PM
Posted on October 29, 2008 21:17